I tried using -h nothing happened. I used -e and it runs. I guess I'm going to find something that explains how to debug from the command line. Only it runs as the process "User Log Service.exe" and application "User Log" (the program the service runs). Nothing shows up in services. What I need to have happen is for the program to run as a process that initiates on start up. Only admin can start/stop/pause etc. the process, and the user can use the program for logging off and on, and isn't in the list of programs or processes in Windows Task Manager (so that the user can't quit it). There's a lot of processes like that so I know there's a way to do it, but maybe I'm being unfair and asking for too much asking it on a forum. I would need it spelled out for me pretty clearly and that takes a lot of time from the expert poster.